Wiggle reviews arent great but DCR describes it as a great little trainer and dont shy away from a good deal. Each year Wahoo and Tacx say theyll get around to adding it to their higher-end units, and each year they dont (practically speaking though, it wont impact your app usage, since all major apps support Tacx/Wahoo variants anyway). That trainer added in a zero-calibration feature, some squishier feet, and a wired connectivity port thatll require an extra adapter (but isnt yet available). Well, until it broke. And this year, the Wahoo KICKR v5/2020 remains in the contenders, though with a solid asterisks next to it namely for accuracy. Part of the value prop is the included front wheel riser that, uniquely, doubles as part of the storage system: it clips onto the trainer when not in use and has a built-in handle for carrying the whole unit, with the legs folded up. I generally dont recommend products that dont have a sustainable support path. Im looking to upgrade my Cycleops Fluid2 (dumb trainer) to a smart trainer. I wouldnt let it be a decision factor at this point. Its as simple as that. I have an old Raleigh 21 speed Technium Olympian touring bike (purchased new around 1985). In any case, ultimately, the CORE is essentially a 2017 KICKR thats been muted with a non-adjustable leg. ), Kickr Core seems to be sold out or no longer available @ the links provided . Get up and riding quickly with KICKRs pre-installed 11-speed cassette, multiple axle configurations, convenient carrying handle, and tire size height adjustment. You should check out my videos. Ray, I appreciate you always looking at reliability/durability, but I feels its a bit misplaced on trainers in our era. If youre new around these parts, heres the long version of my story. Sure, a few complaints here or there pop into my inbox but no more than any other trainer/brand. There are 3 models, each at a different price (50, 60, and 70 U$). I had to change my price bucketing last year to account for this (again). Conversely, the oval washer that sits on the pedal side of the crank was prone to falling off or becoming mis-aligned when I changed pedals. The Neo is unfortunately out of the race due to compatibility concerns (disc). A relatively old model but a decent deal as far as I can tell (it normally goes for 300+). Generally speaking pretty interchangeable. Binnen enkele seconden ontvang je een e-mail van ons. They mentioned that there was a firmware update going out today. Specifically, if you need an absolutely truly silent vibration-free trainer (it uses magnets), and if youre a lighter weight rider (like a small female). All in, I think the Suito is (again) this years best value for a trainer, especially if you arent really sure what you need or want. I do think if you can get a used unit under about $400, and know exactly which apps youre using and if theyre compatible then go forth. The problem would start when you get your new bike power meter and try to hold threshold power out on a ride and realise that most mortals are in the mid 200s low 300 watts. I got the correct power, the correct cadence and 338km/h. Starting around Black Friday or earlier? Out of curiosity how about the Elite Drivo 2? Saris have been awesome to me with an old cycleops trainer. Then, I come here and write about my adventures. What about one of those bike protective thong cover things? For hardware it would be so much more environmentally friendly to modularize and allow customers to upgrade modularity. Any help on getting this set up to work with Zwift would be greatly appreciated. The thick bar tape adds comfort on prolonged sessions where you may well be moving around less than you would on a regular bike. Everyone has their approach. Once youre set up, the Utility app isnt needed very much, but can be used to add additional sensors (such as a new heart-rate strap), and diagnose connectivity faults I didnt experience any during testing. I use the NEO 2 at home on the weekends and love it. @Joe, then the issue was related to an improper install of the cassette and a rear derailleur adjustment (as well as hanger alignment). However, the NL site is unfortunately the only one that doesnt have it listed*. If you scroll down in your first data set you shared, look at the left/right graph. Sauce for Zwift (S4Z) is an app for Windows/Mac/Linux which, according to creator Justin Mayfield, extends the Zwift cycling and running simulator with more stats and pretty things. Its an incredibly powerful tool, and even though its still in beta, Id like to introduce you to it today. Its a pain in the ass. Therefore I set a default font in the main.dart file. Cheers. I am pretty sure other EU users have been able to snag them: Weird, I must have done my conversions wrong (out of curiosity, which country were you viewing the link from)? Though, not necessarily product innovation, but rather just price innovation. Those are the only ones I have paid attention to so not sure if others are also on sale. Like the Wahoo Kickr Bike, the ratios of the simulated gears can be adjusted to match that of your own bike, via the Tacx Utility app. Still, on the off-chance you do have some choice on what you buy then this guide is here to help you pick the right trainer. When I look at recommendations across all products I make, I try and recommend products to you in the same way that Id do to friends and family. I swim, bike and run. Most bikes are compatible with KICKR bike trainers. Ultimately though, while the XR is a very good trainer, its just hard to see why I would want one over the competition, except for the higher incline specifications. C) Saris H3 shifting down to mid-high bucket from high I could see things like USB ports/etc being valuable, but ultimately Ive got enough USB charging ports to last a lifetime. Get all your awesome DC Rainmaker gear here! Sure, they're not as powerful as a Wahoo Headwind, but I could literally buy 20 of them for the same price. I dont think most people could tell blindfolded without having ridden one or the other extensively as their main trainer first. Amazon UK (UK-style plugs): link to amzn.to. Would a lighter flywheel tend to allow a longer coast down time when an avatar stops due to less weight? A tank really. Smart Trainers Buyers Guide: Looking at a smart trainer this winter? Really, there are. any information about new version? I dont think it deserve this treatment even if it s mentioned in the loser list, For 1300 (official tacx price so i only have to add 450) i can buythe cobblestone simulator . Honoured to hear from you! All rights reserved. Save a ton of money for a Core or go calibration free ?? They all have about the same road feel (and each company will tell you their road feel is better). DISCOVER MORE Mobile App . Which one do you recommend? I didnt notice any human limitations on the selections. Plus, no other indoor bike trainer has more software training options, including Zwift and Trainer Road. With Tacx having it on some but not all units, and Wahoo having it on no units (but all Wahoo and Tacx trainers support private Bluetooth Smart with all major apps anyway). C) Which protocols/standards/types they transmit on (i.e., power, but not cadence, etc) BUY. Another possibility is old fashioned rollers. Can`t find the EU version of the Lasko Fan the link shows a us version with us power sockets (on Amazon UK). But, Amazon DE does have it. TrainerRoad). link to support.zwift.com. Gravat: ANT+ FE-C and Bluetooth Smart FTMS on all 2020 smart trainers Be aware the flow has a limit, if too much power output for some time for example the Alpe on Zwift it just stops and needs to cool down. The Suito is a zwift approved product and comes with the 1 month free trial voucher and had a 105 cassette already fitted which is great. 2) CORE supports dual-Bluetooth, can be useful in certain situations That might explain the leg design of the tacx trainer. The front two allow for some height adjustment on uneven floors, too. Accuracy of power numbers is equal, but in different ways. KICKR ROLLR revolutionizes the classic ride feel of bike rollers with controlled resistance, front stabilizers, and adjustability for a convenient, versatile, and natural-feeling indoor cycling experience. I submitted a support request to Wahoo and they said it was a known bug and that a fix was coming. Wondering, with the new Shimano Di2 12 speed release, for future compatibility with these trainers, do you see any issues? Ok, I think Ive got the manual overrides all in for all the Amazon EU countries. Simple follow my full post here where I go into both testing and troubleshooting your trainers and power meters for accuracy. The Wahoo KICKR is designed to work with the Wahoo Fitness app which supports devices running iOS 12 and newer. Im keeping these explanations short and sweet. It tops out at 16%, which Id imagine is sufficient for almost everything road-wise (having some some actual 14-16% grades this past weekend in real-life on roads, it was solidly miserable). I wonder if this is because one of the parts affecting the shortage is the cassette itself. Im pretty sure the Minoura direct drive unit has been available since at least before COVID (I almost bought one a the dawn of the lockdown). These have a textured finish, but because they are positioned close to each other and have very little difference in actual finger-feel, and very faint haptic feedback, the shifters were some of the most frustrating Ive used on an indoor bike. Specifically because the Direto XR is $949, while the KICKR CORE is $899. Includes 11 speed 11-28 Shimano/SRAM Cassette. Ok, if money was not an issue and you were buying TODAY, which would you selectSaris H3 or Neo 2T? And Elite has the Zumo ($699), Suito ($799), and Direto XR ($949). Any other major differences I should consider? Then the gun sounds off and you get back to workwell it feel likes youve suddenly hit the most impossible hill you have ever encountered, even if the required power is something like 180W (my FTP isnt that great, but still). First is the low-slung frame profile, with a deep step-through thatsvery welcome when youre wobbling off the bike after a particularly intensive set of intervals. Ray, thank you for another great comprehensive overview. One that doesnt require you to endlessly spin the tightening lever and try to find an exact spot each time. Wahoo, Saris, (once CycleOps), Tacx, Elite, Kinetic, etc Most of these companies now support the ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart standard versions, but some of them also support their older variants to help out older apps. Im assuming a Kickr Core would be a decent upgrade, but then I like the idea of not having to calibrate in the lots more expensive Kickr v5. It also has dual-Bluetooth Smart channels, something super useful in 2020 as you end up with multiple devices needing to connect on Bluetooth Smart (both Elite and Wahoo still have endless ANT+ connections). I cant, and GPLama/Shane Miller has said the same. I use the Stamina folding mat. I still occasionally pull up the review to get some laughs . Seems like the Elite Suito is the obvious choice, but am I missing something? Dank voor je beoordeling! Im pretty strict in that I dont recommend things I havent used or know a lot about. So. Giant Power Pro also used in test as they are my everyday power meter. CompuTrainer: They went out of business (or at least stopped making them) three years ago. Especially trainers in the $799-$899 price points. You wouldnt necessarily notice the problem I mentioned but you would be training at the wrong zone and messing up your training plan! Wahoo Fitnesss KICKR SNAP trainer ($500) is a convenient, easy-to-set-up smart bike trainer that provides a realistic ride via an app or computer software. First, it's got wheel locks (so the darn thing stays put), and second, it has two water bottle holders (also useful for putting other things like remotes). I've been using it, and a similiar European version lately with great success (exact EU variant I use is automatically linked at left). Given those specific options/prices, Id pickup the CORE. KICKR ROLLR smart bike roller is compatible with bike trainer accessories, including the KICKR DESK and KICKR HEADWIND Smart Fan, allowing you to build the ideal setup to make your smart bike experience next level immersive. Cheaper is better apparently. I have an original Stac Halcyon which to me is far preferable to the previous wheel-on Taxc it replaced, much quieter, more accurate. Still quite happy with the Suito bought last year. The simple reality is that finding in-stock trainers is near impossible in many regions of the world. I am not the techy-ist guy and am wondering if you have anybody on here who have set up computrainer with zwift. Ahh yes, that desk is awesome. Ideally Id have had a higher table or stand for my training software screen. I have the Wahoo Kickr V1. WebHover-1 Support How can we help your rideable? But theres only a few units in this price range (again, looking at USD MSRP) that have ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart broadcasting of speed, power, and cadenceANDcontrol of the incline/wattage. Most of these trainers come in at nearly 50 pounds (about 23KG) so theyre beastly. Adjustments are made using either the suppled hex keys or attachable levers ideal if youre going to have multiple riders using the bike. Alright, took the plunge, Kickr Core and Power station on the way! Theres plenty of good reasons to buy a KICKR over a NEO, but Im honestly not sure those above are those reasons. Heads up: Theres a huge sale on the Wahoo KICKR Bike V1 that cuts $1,200 off the price, down to $2,279.This is a very solid deal, especially since the just-announced V2 bike is even more expensive now ($3,999). Compatible devices, such as a Garmin/Suunto/Polar/Wahoo unit can pick up these signals and record them. I cannot see the Assioma report the left side lower than the right at any point. Note that as one might expect theres been very few trainer announcements this year, and those that have occurred have been incredibly minor updates. I personally wouldnt base my decision too much on that one video seems like the guy needs attention. As for warranty polices, thats also better too (literally, Garmin extended support on ones that were effectively out of support by Tacx) so I dont really understand that line of thinking from some. Elite already closed my ticket, without waiting for me to receive the board, or see if the issue was resolved, just close without notifying the customer, first thing you learn NOT to do on customer service, I was wondering if I got triple bad luck (1 bad board, follow by another bad board, with an added bad customer service representative), or if this is the way usually Elite treat their clients, and thats how unreliable their products are, At this point I wondering what are my options for returning it and getting my money back. Does one miss a lot from having the gradient simulation limited to 15%? Mijn excuses hiervoor. I was mainly focused on trying that one as it got super popular reviews from TrainerRoad users, and so its ultimately what I bought/shipped across the pond. Thoughts on the upcoming (Oct 3rd) release of the Zwift Hub? Wahoo X bundles together two of the best indoor cycling apps, giving you endless ways to ride, train, race, and connect with other athletes, with one account and one monthly payment. Ray Ive got a line on a lightly used NEO 2T for the same price as a refurbished CORE (~$800 US). Just realized my last sentence was misleading I ordered it at a dealer with generous returns policy, but kept it. But again, most people use the term smart trainer more broadly. As for getting it out earlier indeed, normally I try to. Theyre cheaper than the one noted, they fold away nicely when youre not using them, and my current one has Ive had for 7 years and it looks like new. More on those later. Though the Flux is a bit beefier in terms of stability. Speaking of fancy, if youre going with something like SRAMs AXS 12-speed bikes, be sure that your trainer works with that. I think you would say to get the TACX Neo 2T. i think ray it s about how someone categorize the Direto XR. This gives a very realistic clunk as you change gear, mimicking the feel of a mechanical drivetrain when in use. Ill keep my eyes open and looking. Dual-sided power meter pedals that deliver accurate power and cadence data, built on the race-proven SPEEDPLAY platform. The exception to this is the new Elite Tuo, which somehow manages really good road-feel. At first I was looking at the Flux S. Considering the higher watts (which I was told would lead to better experience at lower watts too), the higher gradient and the higher price, I assumed that de Flux 2 would be a better option. Also note, I use a riser block with *every* trainer. My experience with this machine has been terrible. Ive sorted it all by world geography, in an attempt to make it easy to figure out where Ive been. All while giving you a fairly capable direct drive trainer. Went back for Stryd, put it in home no power in trainer Any idea what I can do not to move my Stryd to garden whenever I want to cycle? En is dat Road gevoel bij de Taxc duidelijk merkbaar, of heeft het geen toe gevoegde waard?? Said differently, you can justify to your significant other that youre saving $300. Would love to hear more. First off, thanks for being a DCR Supporter I appreciate it! Hoewel de Elite Direto veel waar voor zijn geld biedt is deze Wahoo echt wel een stukje beter qua nauwkeurigheid en reactiesnelheid bij weerstandswisselingen. Indoor usecase will be limited over the summer months, so it is more about if shortage of trainers available to buy also must be expected in the fall of 2021. Im currently waiting for Bkool support to get back to me again about my Bkool Pro 2 which seems to have a temperature related drift Im not optimistic that it will ever be properly right as there was even an article on Bkools site at one point about why their Pro 2s werent accurate Its fine in simulation mode as I have a power meter, but ERG mode is just horrible and I spend every interval battling with the trainer to get just the right gear/power match/cadence to counter the drift. You'll support the site, and get ad-free DCR! Today Zwift starts selling their first smart trainer, the Zwift Hub. No doubt the CORE is very quiet, but once you turn on a fan all of these trainers are quiet in comparison. Have you tested the H3 power numbers against your bike power meter? He did comment on how customer service has gone downhill with Garmin purchasing Tacx. I suspect thats just a typo, theres only one KICKR Core. Mid-Range $450-$700: These tend to be units that have everything of the price bucket below it, but usually with just a bit more accuracy and a bit more power. I've been using it as my main trainer desk for a long time now and love it. Just be patient. So why pay a thousand dollars more ? Any idea the new Neo coming out soon? Theres not even an option to calibrate it and nobody has seen any reason for them to include one either. But this probably is a generic problem. Does it make a difference when you have the chain sound anyways? And at this point, I think it is. But overall as a recommendation at large, its just tough. Including several sub 40 min climbs up the Alpe and sub 60 min climbs up Mt. I keep it simple and explain exactly why I feel a given way. Your rear shifting will be a little rough bc your bikes rear derailleur is set up to shift well on your trainer. A radically simplified multisport GPS sports watch that delivers a seamless performance advantage. WebZwift is virtual training for running and cycling. Wahoo Fitness is not liable for any damage or injury related to improper installation, modification, or misuse of hardware. Terms and conditions apply. On Tacx software or on the gps computer? beyond me. The reality is that all these freehubs, cassettes and bearings on wheels or trainers have manufacturing tolerance. Made even harder trying to do it in a pandemic. There are a couple sales in Canada and Im not sure which of these trainers I should get when theyre within the same price range. Can you comment on the ease or issues with switching between two bikes on the Kikr Snap or Elite Tuo? Good to hear that Elite made things all better! However, the one strength of the Hammer series has always been just how darn good it is at ERG mode. Others have reported similar results with the KICKR V5. The delivery first got delayed for Christmas, then new year, then back-order How does it work out/calculate the L/R balance on the Neo 2/2T? De weerstandsaanpassing verloopt soepel. I havent seen that problem with my H3 which I bought last year. Compatible with 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 speed cassettes. Thoughts welcome. The bike has Bluetooth and ANT+ connectivity to choose from, and I had no issues, and reliably collected training data via the usual training apps I mostly tested the bike using Zwift. I am looking to buy the Kickr but I have artificial turf in my penthouse outside. Let us know, Please don't enter personal info. Keep in mind that I am 56 and not doing anything competitive for riding. Any word on any upcoming direct drive trainers, i am in the market for one but if theres something coming i may wait. Thank you. The thing with climbing and trainers is that you tend to lose the road-feel a bit in low-speed situations. I dont particularly mind doing the work (electronic engineer by background and perfectly capable of stripping and completely rebuilding my bike). So ultimately, Id say you can kinda figure out what you value here in terms of price to features. de Tacx Neo 2T of de Wahoo Kickr V5. Here the markings on the fit sliders (such as around the bar and seatpost) are really useful. The link for the Honeywell fan on UK Amazon is for a knock off one at twice the price of other ones where you search their site! The 800 Watt max of the Flow sucks for sprint workouts but Ive never had it overheat and turn off on longer climbs at high wattage. The SNAP & Tuo have better road-like feel than the Zumo, but Zumo has the convenience and accuracy of a direct drive trainer (in that you dont have to worry about tire pressure. So, is there a free cycling app like Zwift? Ive then further confirmed this with a few other tire companies as well. $299.99. Ultimately, almost all major apps support all companies Bluetooth Smart implementations (whichever variant theyre on). Curious that you didnt list a rocker plate of any kind/type as a favorite accessory. Its a gimmick, for sure, but some will appreciate the gamification of the bikes feel. I dont have one at this point, so cant say unfortunately. To your point, upgrade the existing instead of a total replacement. The 800w piece probably isnt too challenging for most people, especially triathletes, but the 6% gradient may be tricky (of course, if you leave defaults on Zwift, youre unlikely to notice). So good I just bought another one as my wife wants to train next to me this winter, and the new one is indistinguishable from the 7 year old one, despite many 10,000s of miles of training. Honestly, this year for affiliate clicks it doesnt matter too muchthings have unfortunately been out of stock since February. People always ask my favorite trainer accessories, and these are the ones that I use most frequently/daily. They said it was something they were looking at doing, but didnt have any timeframe. A lot of noise / complaints about Garmin Tacx since lately and many Neo fans are recommending their friends to purchase a Kickr based on customer support and warranty policies. :-/. If I were to really narrow it down, itd probably be between the Elite Zumo if you can find it (distribution of that model is more rare), and the Wahoo KICKR SNAP or Elite Tuo. Please take note of the Known Incompatible Bikes listed below. Thanx Ray! Just picked up a Neo 2T, I think that it now has the cycling dynamics in it now. I thought Zwift announced months ago that the Windows phased roll-out was complete. Kinda neat. They tend to increase/decrease the dominancy, but not usually flip it the other way 10-12w per leg. The smaller the base of the trainer, the more likely it is to tip over (and you along with it). If you ride outside more than you ride on your trainerlike I do. Though, its not clear to what extent theyre actively shipping units. Eliminating the cost factor, what has your long term testing found from quality, durability and enjoyment? I can confirm that Zycle, the company that got the Bkool hardware business, is pretty active in the spanish market. Im headed to Washington DC what do you recommend for training? I did have to call during certain hours though (they are in US Central time). Experience the most realistic ride feel and responsive resistance whether doing structured workouts, riding virtual worlds or re-riding routes on your gps bike computer. I took a bit of time and re-examined the data. Do you have any insight as to the differences (all have electric outlets, one seems to have a couple USB ports). I can see power phase data etc on my tacx neo bike. I intend to borrow Duos again to generate a file for the replacement H3 and would love to hear what you think but Im taking a couple of weeks off at the moment. Roughly one year ago. I think the KICKR SNAP is probably the most robustly built of the bunch, whereas I think the Magnus/M2 is the most accurate of the bunch (plus it has up to 15% incline resistance, which along with the Bushido is the most of the bunch). Incorrect or missing product information? I have an older mtn bike and would like to use it on a direct drive trainer for fitness (spin) workouts. My bicycle has sat for years unused because my life became more sedentary. Now all that said, the KICKR V5 does have an accuracy issue that earns it a caveat. As I am in my 70s now, maybe I am a little impatient. I would say Elites Suito also falls in this category since it doesnt have a power meter to begin with. If I did not know better I would have thought they were out of business. (We do this for fun apparently :)) The bad news is Im going to have to give it back in a few weeks and replace it with something less expensive. Please contactyour local Wahoo dealerorWahoo Customer Supportfor updated adapters. And, thats what happened. While the NEO 2T did have some initial accuracy issues when it was first announced, those were largely resolved in subsequent firmware updates to my satisfaction. Bluetooth Smart Broadcast: Power, Speed, Cadence. My only (nd its pending) grumble is lack of longevity I looked back to see that I bought mine in Feb 2019 and it died on me tonight (July 2022) so just 3 and a half years in it. Thanks, Ill try and do a manual override there. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. Note: Not compatible with 2021 Apple TV Edition. Meanwhile, for Bluetooth Smart, theres FTMS, which is basically the same thing as FE-C when it comes to trainers. If you are both proficient in removing/installing the rear wheel and have the same number of cogs, the DD is, IMO, the way to go. For example, functionality and accuracy that used to be reserved for $1,200 trainers has slid down to $900 trainers and even $700 trainers. Plus, you'll be more awesome. And that combination put it over the edge. Thats tough at those price differences. I commented on trainer tires a long while back in a Weekly Mailbag post, so heres what I said then which still applies today. Theyre usually retailer sales, but frankly, with so many trainer companies having overstock of trainers this year, most of the sale prices will probably be the same (~20% off). Do you have a link to the EU version. Im not sure I understand the wheel circumference issue? And in my testing, Ive found the Elite Suito is pretty darn accurate. Elite Tuo $529 En aansluiten en klaar is Kees. Sure, you could e-mail Tacx in the Netherlands (on what was mostly EU business hours, until just prior to the acquisition). I see you were very negative about the Flux 2 when you wrote this. But one of the big questions is whether there is a free version of Zwift. I'm one of the ones that do. Hopefully you and/or others will get a chance after the holidays to check it out and see if it addresses the issues you mentioned. However, its still lacking the true Cycling Dynamics metrics they initially promised (and even published an article about briefly back this past spring), stuff that Vector or Assioma would have in it. Ill start with the ones that leverage a skewer of some sort and dont require removal of the wheel. Thanks for reading! Id hate to have poor support and poor design cloud my judgement. So for less powerfull riders the flow is good and cheap, but for powerfull riders its not good. My guess is instead, youre actually being bit by the Shimano issues there. In the name of buying any thing you can find what second hand units that are no longer made would you recommend? What would you choose if youve had the choice between these 3 trainers. Hi. Designed by: Heather Sanders Privacy Settings, Its out of favor for me. As such, the precise location of a cassette (essentially the final left-right location) dictates when there may or may not need to be a rear derailleur alignment adjustment made. Not sure where you are at, but here in Calgary, Alberta, Canada I have seen multiple sales on trainers for Tacxs and Sarris units. Frankly, looking at anything on this list theres no durability-type issues. (We both have road bikes with indoor tires). THIRD PARTY POWER METER SUPPORT iOS, Android, PC (Mac and Windows) Max User Weight: 250 lb; Power Requirements: 100-240V~1.5A 50-60 Still, I think I value most the accuracy pieces. The Amazon Europe sites all offer it, but they also add hundreds of dollars of shipping costs. ANDROID. While plausible, this would be very unusual. Id agree, I think at this point, companies have had MORE than long enough to figure out how to safely operate customer service remotely (chat, phone, e-mail, etc). Wahoo KICKR smart trainers can be paired to and controlled by the following devices: For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. That is the core issue here, that has a relatively easy solution once you know what it is. Its what I use when Im doing testing with trainers while travelling an RV rental. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. From what I understand, a specific tool is needed that Garmin finally released to the public? And frankly, aside from the new built-in WiFi, the rest of the changes are pretty minor. Hello Ray, what would you go for, a flux 2 or an elite Direto XR if the pricing is the same for both! Unfortunately I have not as I dont have any power meters on the bike yet (coming next year). And by basically, I mean, thats all it is. In a command prompt on Windows you can do the following to expand the PATH variable into separate lines using the following: @ ECHO.%PATH:;= & ECHO.% This is not unique to the PATH variable if you had semicolon separated paths in SOMEVAR you could do: @ ECHO.%SOMEVAR:;= & ECHO.% Noise is one of my primary concerns, as my apartment doesnt have the best soundproofing and dont want to bother the neighbors. Elite Direto XR-T $1099.99 However, I did like the inclusion of two USB ports on the underside of the extension for charging a phone and tablet. Using Wahoo's renowned and proven KICKR flywheel and its superb in-built technology, theCore providesall the power and inertia you would feel on aregular outdoor ride, for a brilliantly unrivaled and immersive static workout. I actually hadnt seen that but that is awesome and should do the job! It just works. Thanks Ray! Has you opinion changed over the past year, or is it still te same. Your recommendation is the $70 one. And given the substantially higher volumes this year of new trainers going out than years past, wed hear about it otherwise. Specifically, look carefully at these four areas: A) Maximum incline Specifically, for TTTs where small adjustments in power or cadence can lead to overshooting or getting dropped? #2. Ray, any news on the Zwift hardware/trainer(s)? Privacy Policy My Photography Gear: The Cameras and Equipment I Use Daily, DC Rainmaker 2021 swim, bike, run, and general gear list, Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated November 23rd, 2021 @ 7:49 am, Wired or Wireless data transmission/control, Can electronically control resistance (i.e. Elke week belonen wij de vier beste beoordelingen met een FuturumShop waardebon t.w.v 25.00. In many ways, the KICKR SNAP frame is the same way as are the Kinetic frames too. If youre in the UK/EU, youll get the correct one when you click on it automatically. Cant find it in stock anywhere at the moment. The first is simple broadcasting (one-way) from the trainer to the app/device that youre using. Hard pass. Beste, However, it sounds as if the customer service for Tacx has gone to hell (I understand it was very good prior to the Garmin acquisition, but Garmin wiped out the team in the Netherlands who provided support before). The review conclusion in July stated If ya get a good deal on it, then sure. The ratio youre in is displayed on the on-board screen as you ride, along with power and speed data. My purpose isnt so much moving the goalposts, as it is making the groupings more logical. So big question for you , if I could find one anywhere, choice between Taxc Flux S and 4iiiiiiiii? Were now three months into the KICKR 2020 and Ive only seen a handful of people report bad/broken units, which would seem to be well within the specs of typical one-off manufacturing failures. Its quite common to need a small adjustment (barrel adjuster for mechanical cable, trim on electronic) when you swap between wheels or trainers. Sure, the Direto XR includes a cassette, but a cassette only costs about $50-$60 anyway, and more importantly, the KICKR CORE has (in my opinion) far better road feel. For me the measures just arent for comparison with others, it is about comparing against the other rides I have made so stability between sessions is more important. Im looking to upgrade from my Elite Tuo wheel-on trainer. Thanks for this guide ! I also just put together my complete Gear I Use equipment list, from swim to bike to run and everything in between (plus a few extra things). I think the difference in road-feel between the Suito and CORE/H3 is substantial. I will send this one back again. WebAs you may be aware, earlier this fall Wahoo Fitness decided to sue Zwift over Zwifts introduction of their $499 Zwift Hub smart trainer into the market. I did find a Tacx expert at the Manhattan Beach branch of Hellens Cycles! Magene Gravat: Distribution is the main factor here. Why on earth the NEO doesnt include a cassette is (still!) Or maybe the prices are just following the seasonal cycle of when roads dry up and trainers are tucked away in storage? So, heres the 2020 buckets, aligned to the trends of trainer pricing over the past year: Budget Sub-$450: Most of these (all of these?) Hey Ray! KICKR ROLLR smart bike roller is compatible with bike trainer accessories, including the KICKR DESK and KICKR HEADWIND Smart Fan, allowing you to build the ideal setup to make your smart bike experience next level immersive. The Q-factor of 147mm caused me no issues, though. I havent done a side by side test of noise there, but they would be roughly similiar in my ears from testing them a few months apart. Its completely silent in any Sufferfest workout where the flywheel doesnt reach those high speeds. Awful software support and ERG mode is completely buggy. Went back, powered trainer power was instantly transmitted. In other words: A company has to follow the well recognized standards to even be considered for this list. Trainer vs smart indoor bikes, especially for a 196 cm tall and a 120 kg heavy rider like me? WebThe My E-Training software creates stimulating indoor sessions via smartphones, tablets, Mac and PC Windows. ? with several surprises: Enjoy, and thanks for stopping by! Dies ist bei mir auf einem Windows 10- Laptop I was about to say the same thing I also get the Lasko (German amazon) when viewing from NL ;-). Especially in the Tacx Neo 2T and Wahoo Kickr V5 segment. From there, youd play slow-roll back and forth hell until eventually theyd give you a shipping label to send it to the distributor, who wouldnt respond quickly, but eventually would ship you a label. Always the go to place! The Elite Direto is now in Wiggles Black Friday sale at 385. I have posted this in Tuo review, but thought will drop this also here as it might be useful for some folks. Ive tweaked things where appropriate and/or where theyve changed. Its not that I think that all non-technology trainers are the same (cause they arentwellexcept that most are), but its because thats just what I happen to review the most here. Whereas direct-drive trainers mean you remove the back wheel and attach the bike directly to the trainer (via a cassette on the trainer). I dont think about Wahoo Kickr or High-end Tacx because of price. EF EducationEasyPost and EF EducationTibcoSVB pro tour men and women cycling teams use the power of KICKR Smart Bike Trainers to train and prepare to perform when it counts. Etsi tuotemallistojen mukaan tai selaa kategorioittain. Just thought of something since the Core does not have adjustable legs, what wheel size is it optimized for? I asked about it last year sometime, but it hasnt happened yet unfortunately. The Lasko has ports on the side, the Vacmaster has one atop it under that cover. I have a top-end MTB, but dont fancy the wear and tear using it with trainer, but I do have a singlespeed track bike that I could rig up with a track tyre and use. Het grootste pluspunt vind ik de constructie van de achterpoten. Unfortunately theres no current US retailers selling the Zumo (meaning, none have elected to pick it up, largely due to the lower margins on the Zumo specifically). I also looked at the second hand market, but those might have issues because they are earlier build models (2018, 2019). I travel a fair bit, both for work and for fun. E) Model-year refreshes of some of the others. App compatibility across virtually every larger-format screen you can think of, half a dozen themed apps with dozens of modules (courses) between them, and more alphabet games than there are letters. Are you perhaps planning to publish similar one regarding GPS smartwatches? I like my front wheel to stay put and not aimlessly wiggle around. Lowes, Home Depot, etc.. $18 at HD right now. Required fields are marked.If you would like a profile picture, simply register at Gravatar, which works here on DCR and across the web. (by the way what do you call a fish with no eyes? Check bike compatibility for more details. But no matter, all of these will require calibration about 10-15 minutes into a ride to ensure accurate numbers. They website still shows the number and hours, maybe you can try calling. I am unable to decide between these: Elite Suito T 515EUR or Tacx Flux S for 535EUR or Elite Direto XR 659EUR. Mijn fiets is afgemonteerd met een SRAM Rival etap AXS, 12 speed, wat moet ik dan nog bijbestellen? So, Ill give it a go and see what happens. Hi, for info. Will you test our product before release? Meanwhile, looking at your Favero data, its fairly close the vast majority of the time, save one all-out sprint you did where it separates more (which, is actually totally normal). Furthermore, it helps maintain your avatars speed in Zwift on a descent. As always, WONDERFUL reviews, and I will be supporting your site with $. This might sound silly but if its a heavier trainer (which is most mid-range and above trainers), then is there some sort of handle to move the darn thing around? My current weight is about 360 lbs. Comparisons done against 2 sets of Favero Duos and Giant Power Pro cranks recorded on DC Rainmaker Analyser. When it comes to the Wahoo KICKR, they released a new version of their top-end trainer this past summer, the KICKR V5/2020. Not the one you linked, would not ship to my country, so I got a little less powerful one (222 Wh). Or, should we be looking at a different model for our needs? On the trainer company side only Elite, Saris, and Kinetic support it across the board. A smooth and well built all-in-one indoor cycling solution. And nobody is kicking the side of their trainer randomly from that angle. Great article Ray. This means pedal pickup feel when you go from freewheeling to pedalling is fairly realistic, and aids the pedalling feel over the 12/6 dead-spot in a revolution of the cranks. Instead, Tacx leaves it up to you to measure either your current bike to replicate, or use its rule-of-thumb guides in the setup manual to get the fit right. Theres once again been almost no appreciable shift in this category this year, so things stay basically the same as last year. WebHover-1 Support How can we help your rideable? Companies continue to pack more and more features and power into sub-$1000 trainers. For people in the Netherlands, it was hard to beat the local Tacx team handling everything. would probably also lead to more affiliate clicks for you . Sorry! Hi Ray, The bike Id like to use is an oooold Schwinn mountain bike. To fully ensure compatibility, Wahoo recommends visiting alocal Wahoo retailerto test your bicycles fit before purchasing. Correct, Elite doesnt transmit that data out on open standards. The H3 is super solid and I have not experienced any instability. When in a training app (such as Zwift or Tacxs own Tacx Training app/desktop) and using ERG mode (whereby the training program determines the power required, thus negating the use of the bikes gears) I struggled to easily hold a consistent power, with Zwift constantly telling me I was either putting in too much or too little power. As of today. Or, Suito-spot. Many thanks for the buyer guide, much appriated. 2; Depending on the actual target power itself the deviation is inconsistent. After 1.5 years of waiting for a firmware updatethen getting itthen having it break it in other communication waysI was kinda over it. My preference is overwhelmingly direct-drive, but I also totally get that such a trainer may be out of the ballpark of ones budget. TECH SPECS. You can find endless numbers of them online or at your local bike shop usually around $30. Ray, do you think that the Kickr Core will see an update in 2022? It overrides correctly for the rest of the EU sites. Ive been chatting with them. Maximize every training session with power tracking to +/- 1% accuracy. De geleverde cassette oogt erg goedkoop en heb ik er wel direct afgehaald. Hi Kevin! So the vast majority of this guide remains pretty similar to last year. Dit alles doen we op een anonieme manier, want jouw privacy is enorm belangrijk voor ons. Thanks!! I just picked one up on Mercari. It is, of course, an entirely simulated feel. Nach dem Spinndowntest werden die aktuellen Leistungsparameter auf dem Smartphone (hier Android) angezeigt. And realistically, 16% (the KICKR CORE) is basically more than the vast majority of people ever ride. With that, Tacx got rid of the low-speed slip-sprint problem of the NEO 1/2. High-End $999+: These are the high-end trainers, and primarily distinguish themselves from the mid-range by increasing durability, reducing noise, increasing road-like feel, incline/wattage increases, or just being expensive for the heck of it (i.e., legacy branding/marketing). Thanks in advance. The Flux 1 was incredibly popular and for good reason. This is the one I have now and as such would represent a tangible benchmark for me. But my question is, is there a new Wahoo Kickr Core 2021 on the horizon? I found one in stock at a local dealer, but have no comparison to the competitor, the Kickr Core. I will do an updated guide, but honestly, I expect almost no change in the major players, with only additions from smaller/lesser-known players. First and foremost, I only recommend trainers Ive actually used. I found the same was necessary for the Elite Suito when reading speed with a Garmin Instinct. My Tacx Neo 2T keeps on dying and Garmin keeps on replacing it but I am at a point where I am just like enough of this and was contemplating switching to a Wahoo Kickr V5 but may just end up with the same problems? And similarly, the Vortex Smart is at $520, but spec-wise it just doesnt compete with the others above from a simulation of incline or accuracy standpoint. In general, I try to separate user issues from product issues. There is a fee for all collections, except for faulty products. Hey Ray! On the NEO 2T you get two digits within the power phase, but its actually not the power phase data, its just the left/right data shown on that page in the power phase section (whereas you should also get a graphical loopy thing shown too). Sure, the Wahoo CORE has more inertia and thus slightly better road-feel. Amazon does automatic translation, but sometimes it doesnt work quite right. I got an Elite Nero last year, hard to get proper reviews about interactive rollers these days, but Elite seemed to be a respectable company WebThird-Party App Compatible:Yes: Zwift, TrainerRoad and other KICKR approved third-party apps; Connectivity: Bluetooth, Ant+, FE-C; Mobile Compatibility: Apple, Android, Windows; Accessory Compatibility: KICKR Climb, KICKR Desk, KICKR Headwind, KICKR Mat; Maximum Power Output: 1800W; Supplied with UK 3 pin and EU 2 pin power adaptor Connecting the bike to my various other devices laptops (Apple), phones (Android), smartwatches and Garmin computers was a quick and simple affair. Tacx has included a brake system in the bike to help, in theory, with gamification on apps such as Zwift. I think in general it might be best to look at my past 2018/2019 recommendation guides as a starting point, as I list both the included and non-included units in each. I get that they may not want to address the adjustments considering the wide range of bikes and methods that may be involved. I use an Assioma uno with a 10+ year old Tacx Flow for zwift and as ive started doing a few races lately im considering a more robust setup. Even if you don't have a 4K TV, the 4K version has more powerful graphics than the base, worth the extra $30. Tom has written for BikeRadar, MBUK and Cycling Plus, and was previously technical editor of What Mountain Bike magazine. The front safety tire gripper can accommodate tires up to 2.1" (53mm) to keep your bike upright and secure, making it easy to get on and off the bike while providing stability, even when sprinting. App compatibility across virtually every larger-format screen you can think of, half a dozen themed apps with dozens of modules (courses) between them, and more alphabet games than there are letters. Ray, do you expect to see in Fall 2021 any major updates to the smart bikes from Wahoo, Tacx, and Stages? Hi dcRainmaker. Whether you're short on time or the weather is bad, bike trainers offer the convenience of a ride no matter weather conditions or time of day. When that came out Wahoo basically took a full 2017 KICKR and made it silent. They wish it would. cobblestones), Support rolldown procedure (for wheel based), Supports ANT+ FE-C (Trainer Control Standard), Supports Bluetooth Smart FTMS (Trainer Control Standard), Supports Multiple Concurrent Bluetooth connections, Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated November 20th, 2022 @ 5:20 pm, Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated November 22nd, 2022 @ 4:20 am, Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated November 27th, 2022 @ 10:29 am, Wireless + Wahoo Direct Connect Ethernet Adapter (Accessory). The Elite Suito should be $799, if youre seeing $899, that simply means a retailer is marking up the price for extra profit. However,updated Thru Axle adaptershave been produced to resolve compatibility issues for these frames with Shimano and Campagnolo drivetrains (not compatible with SRAM XDR drivers). I preferred the Gear Feel of the bike, though. #1. In theory, theres no issue with this, but the interplay between parts, say, saddle height and seat angle, can make getting the exact same fit between this and your outdoor bike a little more time consuming. fliiight? Next, from a technology standpoint, they fixed the sprint overshooting issue this summer. He is also a regular presenter on BikeRadars YouTube channel and the BikeRadar podcast. KICKR SNAP features a 10.5lb flywheel engineered to provide riders with the precise inertia needed to recreate an outdoor ride feel while training on a wheel-on bike trainer. But yes, its the exact same Suito, just without a cassette. My smart trainer and Zwift are getting me through all this horrid snow now. I just checked and here it is. A TrainerRoad forum user shared this model in the UK, that also offers a discount. Its largely only available in Asia, and while they do actually make some good trainers (see my review on it previously), its just hard to include when the majority of the world cant get it. If youre trying to decide which unit to buy check out myin-depth reviews section. I hope that helps. These were a pain to fit, though, and once clamped tight were a pain to remove too (should you wish to change crank length). Replacement is closer in power but still inconsistent on two metrics. For trainers like the Kickr, which is designed to use without a riser block, does using a block not change your riding position eg raising the bars and change the saddle tilt? I could only find one video online of someone attempting this. :-/, Hello Ray, I'm loving it! Im considering the following I recommend this trainer its very compact when the legs folded in.The elite app needs improvement Basically, as Garmin started taking over things, COVID hit, and I think a lot of people conflate those two in terms of availability. WebNote: the Wahoo Fitness app (required for important firmware updates) is only available on iOS and Android mobile devices. Except for the cross-Atlantic time zone delays, I had my replacement Direto X in about three weeks. Theres no reason to look elsewhere for a budget wheel-on trainer. Some of Sariss non-smart trainers dont have a rider weight. For questions visit Customer Services. Kinetic suggests the problem is Rouvy. Its incredibly accurate. Want anders heb je waarschijnlijk een speciale sleutel nodig, niet? You probably stumbled upon here looking for a review of a sports gadget. Over the last few years weve continued to see major shifting in price vs feature-set combinations. In fact, during the main intervals your left/right split consistently goes to 50w apart with the Giant. But last year the H3 finally climbed into the top recommendations list. Zero. I have built an extensive list of my most frequently asked questions. Im headed to Paris what do you recommend for training or sightseeing? Private communication channel: Prior to FE-C and and FTMS there wasnt a standard. The Core would save a chunk of money, do you think it would still be acceptable in that scenario (holding it from beneath to move it to the next room)? Else, I think the CORE is the better option here. Note: The Elite Zumo is not currently distributed by any retailers in the US (it is in Canada though, and in many places in Europe). I realize that removing the caliper is a viable solution, but maybe not ideal. Whilst its a quiet a d stable trainer to ride, in 5 rides I have not had one interruption free one. I couldn't find any solutions to this problem. I believe one is set to arrive this week here. Your speed while riding is based on your power and weight and is also influenced by slope and drafting. As for *why* its doing thatI havent got the slightest idea, unless by some very unlucky chance the ANT+ ID is identical to the Elite Tuo. When in ERG mode, aside from those issues, the NEO Bike performed as expected. Generally speaking Wahoo has announced all of their trainers at/around Eurobike for years (except one, the KICKR SNAP, which was two months prior). In case anyone is wondering what the Wahoo Kickr v5 surge issue is likelets say you hit a break stage in a Sufferfest video so you stop spinning to grab some water, towel off, or whatever. @Joe, it is entirely common for shifting to vary a bit between a bike and different wheels. Still? It is done by my bike mechanic. For example, prior to the acquisition, Tacx support in the US largely sucked. Yup, youre in luck. WIj verzorgen helaas geen wisselingen van cassettes. Is it worth paying extra for the Wahoo Core? Check bike-discount.de also, from time to time Elite trainers are available ( even if is written available at the end of November ). With the fan on I can believe Im outdoors somewhere on a glorious ride. I use Apple TV for Zwift the vast majority of the time, but also just for watching YouTube/Netflix/etc on the trainer. In response to the drive train set up, on the road it shifts beautifully and has been a delight. Plus tons more deals includingApple, Fitbit, Garmin, Google, GoPro, Samsung, Elite, Peloton, Tacx, Wahoo, DJI, Saris, and tons more! Find help and support in your local language here European Support Frequently Asked Questions Where do I find details on how my e-scooter works? Comment: Based upon your review of the Elite Zumo a couple seasons ago, I ordered it from Clever Training. Indeed, its super tough finding something in stock at the moment. As such, those units last 10-15 years (or more). No major differences between them in terms of airflow. With the position of the two fans quite far out from the front of the bike, manoeuvring it around, especially when rotating its position, can be a bit tricky because the wheels only engage when the bike is tilted fairly far rearward. As one who does that regularly, its @#$#@ expensive. If TrainerRoad were ever to acquire a trainer, Im pretty sure theyd acquire the Saris Hammer series. I purchased a Tacx Vortex at 250 back in March, partly because that was one of the only ones I could find in stock back then. Yeah, its pretty significant. If you were to buy a trainer and also were not too price-sensitive (i.e. 4) CORE can work with Wahoo KICKR CLIMB, in the event you decide to do that someday. WebAs you pedal information from smart trainer, power meter, or speed sensor is picked up and your in app character begins to move. WebOsta Applen lisvarusteita Apple Watchille, iPhonelle, iPadille, iPodille ja Macille. Lastly, this is the one category I dont have a ton of riding time on either of those units. Said differently, roller people tend to be more purists who dont want technology in the way (not all of course, but most). There is a wide range of adjustment, though, with reach ranging from 350mm to 580mm, saddle to bar length from 405mm to 845mm, bar height (from the bottom bracket) from 550mm to 810mm, and saddle height can range from 640mm to 900mm which should be plenty for the vast majority of riders. 1; Depending on gear selection/flywheel speed the actual power required varies for a given target/reported power. Finally you assume the tooth pattern of the cassette provided suits your training workout regime, which may not be the case. Their position can be adjusted via nuts on the back of the units and the fans power can be set at a steady state or to match heart rate or effort level during training. My bet here would be if you grabbed those Assioma Duos again, and ideally let them bed-in for a ride first (the norm on Duos) then a calibration, that youd see them read slightly higher than your H3. STAC: ANT+ FE-C and Bluetooth Smart FTMS on all 2020 smart trainers. I also didnt find trainer suck to be too much of an issue whereby starting the pedals turning under a high wattage requirement is very difficult (thanks to the low cadence) or when in a big effort cadence starts to drop and gets to a point where youre unable to raise the cadence back to a comfortable level. Its what I do. . I have just sent one back because the Power Cable connection is faulty and stops in the middle of a ride. B) Removal of the 4iiii Fliiiight (previously by STAC): Last year this was on the list provisionally while I finished testing for my in-depth review. Hello thanks. I probably is louder than Kickr Core, but the price difference is quite big, liquid-life.de While this is a very specific price bracket, it mostly captures the entire mid-range market. Saris H3 889 + 36 casette. Search by Product Product Manuals Product Warranty Submit a Ticket App-Enabled IN EUROPE? This can be seen by using apps like nRF Connect to connect to the trainer and query the services it advertises. I searched through the comments and i may have just overlooked. When connected to your smartphone, tablet, computer or GPS bike computer, KICKR SNAP automatically sets your resistance to create a realistic ride feel to cycling outdoors. Ultimately, having ridden them side by side, the Direto XR is a good trainer with nice specs, but what it doesnt have is the same level of ride feel as a KICKR/H3/NEO, nor does it have the silence of the KICKR/NEO, and finally, it lacks any of those top-tier type feature-unlocks like KICKR CLIMB compatibility or ride feel stuff. On paper it looks great, but havent received it yet. He has a particular focus on mountain bikes, but spends plenty of time on gravel bikes, too. I thinking about Elite tuo or cheaper Tacx Flow smart. Though again, being 2020 beggars cant be choosers, and theres nothing wrong with it per se it just wouldnt make the list in a normal year. Often with that slightly better road feel. At $949, the Elite Direto XR sits $50 more than the better road feel (and silent) Wahoo CORE at $899 (though, thatll require a ~$50 cassette) but still. I dont have a dedicated trainer bike, so swapping back and forth and having to readjust the gearing every time would be incredibly inconvenient. Especially the more popular models, or rather, the ones you actually want to buy. With the addition of lightning fast WiFi, KICKR continues to stay ahead of the pack as the indoor bike trainer that gives you the most ways to connect, compete and train indoors. Are any manufacturers willing to supply parts for DIY repair? There's no better bang for your buck in getting Zwift (or FulGaz/etc) on your big screen TV than Apple TV - it's the primary way I Zwift. Alternatively, for everything else on the planet, simply buy your goods from Amazon via the link below and I get a tiny bit back as an Amazon Associate. So a direct drive is not going to work. Thanks for reading, and thanks for considering to do your shopping through the links on this website. Im debating between a Wahoo Kickr Core and the Elite Direto XR. But otherwise, its basically the same trainer as before in the KICKR 2018. For more information, go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov. In my testing there was zero difference on a trainer mat (since that squishes anyway), though a tiny virtually unseen difference on a harder surface like a concrete floor (sans-mat). My goal is NOT to make a roundup of every trainer on the market. 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